first major league loss. crossfire delivery. late bloom on his fastball. the slider is going well as well. >> gary: chris gimenez will take the pitch for a ball. this will be his first at-bat in the ballgame. the university of nevada reno college player, and the pitch is taken outside for a ball. >> buck: it is a school that is not really perceived to be a baseball school, but the university -- university of nevada reno produces a lot of players. >> gary: that is up first base. scott, and no play.

>> buck: andy dominique, the catcher, he played in the boston system for a while. you don't think of reno as a baseball hot bed, but the coach up there has done a heck of a job. >> gary: a lot of the schools, that's what they do, they look to make their mark, gain publicity and have a good sports program by attracting player whose come out of community colleges, two-year programs or right out of high school, but really looking for the baseball exposure. >> buck: ryan church, chris dickerson, all coming out of the university of nevada. >> gary: the count at three

balls and two strikes. mickolio trying to finish this game up. he was at columbus, triple-a. 24 games as a catcher. sometimes in left field and sometime at first base playing in columbus. three ball, two strike count. he made his major league debut this year. that will be fouled become and it stays 3-2. he has had 97 at- bats at the major league level with the indians. the orioles putting big innings together. the inned yaps had a 2-0 lead in the bottom of the second when the orioles tied it up. that ball to center field. andino will play that one on a couple of hops. that is robert andino in center field. >> buck: that is just his second time in his career he has played at center field. he played actually six innings for the florida marlins coming on as a defensive replacement.

he had to g out there after felix pie, the starter, injured his leg. he got up and ran the bases and had to give in to that leg injury. >> gary: here is peralta just after he moved over that way. it will be a ground rule double. so peralta has his second hit a2-5 ballgame, and the indians get two on here in the foul lineth inning with nobody out. andino is checking in to see where he is supposed to be, and he just got about three steps and the ball was hit even further in that direction. >> buck: he really had no chance to make a play. that ball was hit on the warning track and now he is wandering around trying to get in position and he just got a

late signal from the bench. john shelly goes, no, a little more to the left side. >> gary: klly shoppach will come on and be the pinch hitter for travis hafner. and he'll take the ball and dyeing and makes an outstanding catch! a run will score. he tags up on the sac fly. a big out ruered, nick markakis. >> buck: it sure was. no telling what happens in this inning if this ball falls. great concentration. we have seen reimold and markakis make outstanding dyeing catches here late in this ballgame. fretty good commitment. easy to take things for granted, but he didn't allow that ball to fall. it was hit for kam mickolio. >> gary: rbi, shoppach.

peralta stays at second. one down. and a strike taken. luis valbuena. he double and scored. peralta with an rbi. shoppach has now driven in one. his third home run in the sixth inning was a solo shot. the four runs for the indians.

one ball, one strike delivery. three balls and the inning, andino showing up for the first time with the o's. he just comes in and stand force a couple of innings, but he has to make some plays early on. >> gary: foul territory at third and the ball would still find you. two down. orioles one out here away from the win leading 13-4. laporta. is-4. the runner at second base. two down. brian roberts an rbi. three rbi's. markakis with three rbi's homer. wieters, first four rbi game. that's going to be a base hit.

nolan reimold up with it. the runner will stay at third. laporta has his second hit. first and third, two down. that is the first time we have seen mickolio hit around a bit and dave trembley is looking on trying to come up with this final out. the outcome of this game was long ago determined. >> gary: andy marte, his rbi came in the second inning in a sac fly. the 0-2 delivery or two-out delivery is taken for a strike. 0-1. you don't know if brian roberts came out with a problem or not. it looks like he is all right. >> buck: i just think because you are where you are in the game and the d.h. wasn't going the factor in, they made that move. >> gary: he is going to make a good play to end it and he does. this one is in the book for the o's. a 13-4 win as berken takes up the victory over carmona, the indians' starter, and in this

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 hi, everybody. jim hunter and rick dempsey getting ready for "o's xtra" post-game. we talked about the orioles needed a bounce back game. let's see, 13 runs, that qualifies as a bounce back game. >> and 15 hits. huh about the night take pie had with another home run together and matt wieters, three hits, four rbi's on the night. nick markakis, his usual three. >> three-run home run here, three-run home run there. >> we're coming back with a happy recap. but first back to the booth. >> gary: thank you very much. there is your final line. the orioles outhitting them 15- 12 and let's go down the am were. >> here with nick markakis, 13 runs. does that show what this team is capable as for as offensive production? >> i think so. we have good approaches. we're waiting for that pitch to

hit and maybe i mitted -- missed it. it is good to see. it is a learning process. we have a lot of young guys on the team. i think things are coming around great now. >> it was tough loss last night for you guys, but to have these young players come out here and battle today, how good is it is going down the stretch to see them still battling and for thome start to get some wins under their belt here? >> it is great. i think we're in a position where we're not in a playoff race now, so we're going to make the best of it. we're -- we have a lot of young guys up here now and i think we're making great strides, and it is just exciting for the future. we have to keep going to work and learn and, you know, get your job done and the learning process. >> you have been getting the job done in the second half offensively. the numbers are there now. are you feeling that

comfortable? >> yeah, i think i'm feeling pretty comfortable now. winning games and then come back here for another 20. it is tough, but it is baseball and it is getting towards the end of the season, but you just have to keep going out there and do your job and help out any way you can. >> it is good to see the team battling. thank you, nick. >> gary? >> all right, amber. thank you. >> and tomorrow, more o's action coming your way. game three of the four-game set. chris tillman on the mound. our coverage on masn 2 at 6:30 with "o's xtra" presented by at&t followed by the game at 7:00 on masn 2 and wjz in baltimore, wjz only in baltimore. for buck martinez and amber theoharis, i'm gary thorne. thank you. this has been a masn presentation. how it all came and there is lots of it. jim and rick coming up, now!  

 >> he seems to be getting and bigger hits. is there a correlation? >> i think so. i think he understands that very well and now that he is comfortable behind the plate, he can focus his attention on hitting. boy, is he starting to come around. rick made some great points about the way matt covered the baseball tonight. this is a good pitch. his first double in the game tonight. he drives in the first run of the ballgame, an then this at- bat for me was the most important one because all he was trying to do was advance luke scott from second to third and he drives him in, and then again, later on in the game, he delivers the blow down to the right-field line. that would drive in two runs. a big four rbi night, and i think wet either is really starting to feel comfortable. early in his career, we saw how he swung opposite field and now he is starting to turn on pitches. in the five-game hit streak, he has hit 400 and -- .400 and driven in six unruns. i think we're seeing the

confidence of matt wieters at the plate and behind the plate skyrocket as we're closing in on the end of august. >> buck, i think everybody realized that matt wieters was going to be a good hitter from both side0s the plate, but where i have seen the most improvement the last couple of weeks behind home plate and especially throwing. he seems so unbalanced. it is a lot of footwork problems an thins like that. but now don't you think he is really getting that footwork and throwing the ball to second base? >> he sure is, and i think that is a great call because he is under control now. some of his better throws have come in swing situations, 3-2, swing and a miss. he threw out carl crawford on that situation and threw out a runner here the other night the same way. i they shows him that he doesn't have to be so kick if he waits for the ball and then utilizes his quick feet work. the footwork is starting to come around. he has the arm strength. he should be a very good thrower. he is a lot quieter behind the

plate. he is haneling ball miss . the dirt effectively and i think the way he is catching is giving him confidence. >> buck, another positive from tonight was the performance from jason berken although the pitch count got him out after five innings. but for the first time in his career now he has put together back-to-back wins in starts. he beat the white sox in his last start. they're a contending team. and this indians' teem has been as hot liting as any. he is beginning to learn and take all of the adjustments out to the mound. [ and i think there were two bright spots. in the third inning he got valbuena to pop up to will have had and then in the fifth inning again it was value scalabrineo that was hitting. both times jason berken didn't really cave in. he continued to concentrate and make good pitches. >> buck, we appreciate the insight. thank you. >> that is buck martinez from the masn broadcast booth. let's get your impressions of jason berken. these are steps that they're all going through for the first time. you get your first win, he did

that in his debut. he had some bad luck. now for the first time in his career he puts together back-to- back wins. >> i like the way he is handling his adversity. now he realizes he has nothing to lose. he is relaxing. he is making pitches now when he has to. this game, i don't think, was better than his last ballgame out, but still he had some stretches where he pitched out of trouble. he gave up a run early in the ballgame, but with the base loaded, he getout that he needed. right there a fly ball to left field and valbuena and again with the bases loaded, the fly ball to right field. this is what he has to learn how to do, make the opposition make contact. save himself pitches, go ing into the fifth, sixth inning, close to 100 pitches all the time is not going to give him a solid job in this rotation, but getting people to swing their bat and letting the defense do their job will. >> there is the line for jason berken. you mentioned getting some big outs. he actually stranded the bases

-- bases loaded. obviously that contributed to the high pitch count, those two innings, but he left the bases loaded. >> well, you kind of build up an immunity to it for a while when you have been in that position so many times. he's got to learn to pitch under pressure because that's what's going to take this ball club to a championship and to a title day. so he's done it very early in his career, so he should be able to go out there in the future and just relax and say, you know what? i don't care if bases are loaded. all i got to do is get a ground ball here. i can get the double play. i can get out. so he is building some things, even though it may not seem like he is having the best game out there, but there are things going on that will pay off in the future. >> the orioles win it to even up the series at a game each. let's get a look at the at&t player of the week. first we're going to go inside to the manager dave trembley who is about to address the media. this is presented by vise

wireless. -- vise wireless. >> you got a reporter there? verizon wireless. >> i liked our effort tonight. i liked our fight in the game tonight, right from the very beginning. berken struggled with his command. he was going out of gas in the fifth. he was running on fumes in the fifth. he got through. he made some pitches to get to the third out. he did not have a 1-2-3 inning, was helped by the double play ball. i throughout that was one of the keys of the game was the double play ball. and we had some very good wlarks i could wall team at- bats and good situational hitting, put some numbers up on the board. pie was having a big night his the good news, but what

happened when he was going to first base? >> he feel as cramp in his leg. it got tight. he just made sure he came in and told me -- to tell me that he's okay to play tomorrow. [ inaudible ] >> yeah, i mean all our guys, you know, we got some big hits and we had guys who worked the count and got some big walks. there were some good at-bats tonight. >> do you know what you're going to do tomorrow? we all know adam -- >> i was talking to rich. i am hoping jones can play tomorrow. but i -- we're going to take a look at him tomorrow around 3:00, 3:30 the see if he can bat and run. if he can, fine, he'll play. itch he can't, we'll just have to go with it. but we'll see where that goes.

>> is paise -- did paising what he was saying prevent you from making a roster move? >> i think we'll cover. i think if both those guys can't play tomorrow, we probably have to do something. you can't play short. you'd have to do something. but, you know, right now we feel like we're going to be okay with it. >> before the game, you talked about wieters and you knew he was a hitter and then tonight, the career high four rbi's, three hits. i guess that's what you're -- that's what's expected. [ inaudible ] >> he's probably hopefully feeling a little more comfortable, swinging the bat good. somebody asked me, jeff asked me today about, you know, maybe he is having trouble with the ball inside and pitching away. he is pitching away and he is hitting it from over there,

both sides, an then they pitched him in and he turned that hit down the line. so that is great for him. a lot of progress tonight by a lot of the young guys. you got a game like that that is one sided and you see reimold dyeing to r a ball and you have one of your players, markakis doing that, in the ninth inning diving for a ball to save a run. you get beat and lose a heart breaker like last flight and everybody came here today real upbeat and let's go out and get them. >> do you feel like berken is turning a corner for you? this is the first time he has been able to win two consecutive starts. >> berken is a guy that pitches more with his heart, i think. he doesn't give h. -- give in. you have to watch him real close. i'll be interested to see how he is the next time out. i think he is a guy we have to watch. he is up there in innings, and he's had to endure, you know, some very difficult games for him.

i think he's a guy you have to watch the amount of pitches that he throws, but he'll give you what he's got. i have my card, too, that i can make a call. excuse me? >> is it safe to say you won't be waiting for jimmy's to open up? >> i may go to the blue plan now. it is a good place. have you ever been to the blue plan? >> be careful on the weekends. >> what? i saw you walking around today -- you don't want everybody to know how i saw you walking around today. [ laughter ] put that in your -- you got your own blog, too? >> i stand by my actions! [ laughter ] >> we're all getting a little squirrely, i can tell you that! >> that was a good game, wasn't

it? that was a good game. okay. see you tomorrow. >> well, the post-game comments by manager dave trembley as the orioles win it bay final of 13- 4 evening up this series at a game each. and now as promised, the at&t player of the game, and a reasonably tight vote, and mat wieters with his first career four rbi game gets the vote of the fans, 51%. luke scott, 33%, and felix pie, 16%. pie with a leg cramp lobbying to play tomorrow, so that is a good sign. "o's xtra" continues on masn! @?

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the viewers in the baltimore area will see the game and the post-game on wjz only. another big game for luke scott who is slowly beginning to find that batting stroke. luke, we talk about it as a market correction as luke joins us now from inside the orioles' clubhouse. you seem to get more and more comfortable at the plate. tell us about your stroke. >> this game is full of ups an downs, and this game will measure you. we're going to go through tests, and we're going to go through low points, and you just have to battle through them. you have to dig in and keep with your routine and go out there and be prepared and have a good day. you never know what can lap. >> luke, you've had an opportunity now to be at first base for a couple of games and i'm curious to find out how you feel playing the bag. do you think it will take you long to get settled in there? >> i'm getting used to it. it is a different game. the ball gets on you quicker.

you have different action. you have places to back up on almost every play. it is a lot more fun. i have been enjoying it as well. i take my reps during batting practice. i get my ground balls. i think with time and repetition i'll get better. >> i think you're selling yourself short because after the game you had atman many, i voted for you for the gold glove. i tho you have it down! you had some screamers over there. >> yeah, so far things have gone well. i have to wear a cup now playing the infield. that is different. [ laughter ] >> but at least it gives me comfort knowing i can take one and it is not going to bother me too much. >> glad i now know that, luke. i appreciate it. >> i can relate to that, luke! let's talk about your offense. i have noticed something about your swing. not very many hits the opposite way, but it seems as of now

you're going up the middle and to left field more often where you thinking that way? yeah, i'm trying to stay square. i'm not trying to open up too early. i think a lot of problems is the ball is speeding up on me and my shoulder has been coming out. every hitter goes through it. i use my happens the and take what they give me instead of trying to hit everything out of the park. >> your doubled the opposite way. did you go that way because of the shift or is that where it was pitched. you said, okay, fine. you play me there, i'm going to hit flit. >> i thought about bunting, and the truth is i really did think about bunting. i have lost a lot of hits into the shift, a lot of line drives and the second baseman is just standing there laughing at me. it gets frustrating, but i did think about it, but at the same time i was stubborn. i want to beat the shift and hit it. so i kind of rubbed it in their face. i just try to take what they

give me. >> luke, we appreciate the visit and all of the valuable information you have given us. thank you so much. >> you're welcome. >> that is luke scott. the birds win it 13-4. nick markakis, another three-run home run as hark mark is starting to really heat up. nick is making a run at 200 hits for the season. at some restaurants when you get boneless wings... what are you really paying for? whoa! ha ha! i say "happy," you say "birthday!" happy... birthday! who's hungry? why pay for flair when you can get all the flavor for just $3.99 with wendy's new boneless wings. tender, juicy chicken, hand tossed in our signature buffalo or bbq sauce. it's waaaay better than fast food. it's wendy's.

 >> matt wieters had three-h game and a career high four rbi night. back in the clubhouse we go. amber is with the orioles' catcher. >> what a way for the team to bounce back after a tough loss. you have 15 hits. does that show on any given night this team can explode offensively and the potential we saw tonight? >> you see it all the way down there through the lineup. we have to do more day in and day out. this team has that kind of offense day in and day out. it is good to get the win.

[ and the past five games, you have a five-game hitting streak going, and tonight you have three hits. are you just feeling more comfortable at the plate as you have noticed anything different or just everything you have taken in in the big league is coming to the. >> definitely feeling more comfortable, getting the timing to where i'm finding the barrel more often. but, no, i feel pretty ged at the plate now. but you have to keep working. >> how important is going into september and object because i has been a tough august for you. >> it is huge. go out there and pitch better than their pitcher that day and give your team a shot to win. >> last night we saw hernandez battle and tonight we see berken battle. are you seeing these guys start to go to the next level of being in the big leagues and first trying to find the footing and now they're

barballing through the innings. >> i think so. once they taste success, they see they belong here because they have that kind of ability. once they get that a attitude that they're here and here to stay, they're tough. >> what was going for berken to especially get out of the two bases loaded jam ? >> he had his two-seamer working tonight which gave him ground balls when he needed to. he located well tonight. he was down on and on the en0s the plate which helped him get through the innings. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> mat wieters now with a five- game hitting streak as he goes 3-4 with a career four rbi's. mat wieters really settling in. it was his 16th mull -- hit game. >> when we come back, we'll hear from felix pie. úúxx

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forced to leave the game after this base hit in the seventh inning. earlier he had stumbled on a ball he was trying to field. amber is with felix pie. >> you tell me how your leg is feeling. it looks like you were hurt in the outfield. >> i feel okay now. i feel much better now. it is a little hurt, but i think tomorrow will be okay. >> what was it it? it looked like there was a new piece of grass that had been put out there. was that what you slipped on? >> no, no, behind that. but i don't know how that happened because i was on t it, you know, but sometime that happen because it got wet. >> would you describe it as a

pull? did you pull your hamstring? >> no, i not pull. i may stretch it a little bit. it is a little tight. you know, the grass, so it is too bad, too hard to play over there, so -- but i think today i stretch it and i think tomorrow i will be okay. it is a little sore now, but i think tomorrow will be okay. >> what happened, did you think, oh, no. just when i'm going good at the plate? >> yeah, yeah. i take that with the trainer and be ready tomorrow. >> all right. thank you, felix. >> thank you. >> so felix pie. "o's xtra" challenge. i had roberts and rick had mora. the only two batters in the

lineup without a hit. so roberts lad an rbi. i'm closing the gap! game three of the four-game series u lovejea. tomorrow. a quick look at the pitching match-up. jeremy sowers and tillman. >> he is really starting to put together some pretty good game force the orioles. he is feeling his way around well. he is looking for his second and jeremy sowers, he has had some tough times against the o's. >> join us tomorrow night, "o's xtra," harold baines will be induct into the hall of fame. you'll see the ceremony live on "o's xtra." >> the o's win it 13-4. enjoy your friday night and we'll see you tomorrow!

mr. howard would go on to win 4-2, ninth win in the last 12

games for the phillies. ryan howard, what a game he had. his 2000th pick. the the most in the majors. in that span. all of them come in the last four years. now over that span, no other player in baseball has hit as many multi homer games. and albert pujols. >> here are your wildcard standings, of course, you have to wait for the rockies and giants to finish their game. the marlins and braves remain tied for third place. >> dodgers looking for their tenth straight win. billingsly on the hill. bottom six. cincinnati up 3-0. we can add another one.

11 of the 16 bombs. the call for the strike. sitting on his shoulder. ramirez entered the game 4 for 7 a home run, and 11 ribbies. homer bailey throws eight shutout innings, striking out a career high 7 to pick up his 4th win of the season. the reds have won five straight games. >> the angels have sent two prospects to the rays for scott kazmir. despite leading in the nl west and being a favorite to play in the world series. they've hit 26th in baseball in team era. and 28th in opponent batting average. and enter the lefty. kazmir. the former ray has struggled at times this season. he's trying to turn the corner to win. a 3.20 he's pitched in the postseason, and he's only 25.

for the angels, scott kazmir is a calculated gamble. this year he struggled with era close to 6. the last couple of starts he started to make progress. now the angels and the braves talked about a possible kazmir trade before the july 31st deadline. so it may be those two recent starts finally convinced the angels to go out and make a deal for a pitcher who joins the rotation that ranks 24th among 30na teams in earned run averag. kazmir should make the angels better. >> in the meantime, angels taking on the a's. i've mustered up three hits in a loss thursday to oakland. they've been able to match that. they're still down 6-1 in the sixth inning. the r.b.i. single in the fourth. that made it 6-1, we'll keep you updated as this rolls on. >> nfl commissioner roger goodell clarified rules on punts that ricochet off the high def monitors over the field at new cowboy stadium.

the guidelines cover only this season but the league could force jerry jones to raise the boards before the 2010 season which ends with the super bowl at that stadium. >> the nfl has ruled if footballs hit the massive video scoreboard that hangs over the field at cowboy stadium or any other stadium for that matter, the down will be replayed. and the pass will be reset. they'll have the power to institute a booth review without a coaches challenge to determine if the ball has hit the scoreboard. cowboys owner does not believe the scoreboard affects strategy. >> you can anticipate the ball hitting the board from time toen time. soer when we get into competiti, i don't see it as ultimately an issue. strategy-wise, you basically sit. that means you kick to one side of the field. but very seldom do you kick a

ball long and down. and consequently that shouldn't be an issue because the board's down the middle. there's no reason this can't be something to deal with very similar to the way you'd deal with the wind in your face or you'd deal with the elements rain, sleet or snow. kickers deal with elements, they don't deal with the perfect situation. >> the lions are hosting the colts on saturday. and it will be dawn donte culpepper. schwartz competition is still open. dilfer don't think stafford should be starting. >> there is no way he's ready to start number one. this is a franchise that's lost 17 in a row. on top of that, stafford is cleaning it back up. you don't want to put him that

kind of fire right off the bat. >> i agree, there are two main issues, you've touched on both. detroit is desperate. they're very dedicated, and rejuvenating his career in donte culpepper. when you take such a beating when you play for a bad team, all of a sudden, your fundamentals break down, the way you look at football breaks down. the perspective which you play the game breaks down. we've talked about this. the demons that sit on your shoulder, they grow louder and louder and louder. and stop you from playing up to your potential as your career goes on. >> no end in sight for the browns qb competition. both brady quinn and derek anderson could play deep into the browns third preseason game. saturday tennessee coach eric mangini said nothing should be read into his choice to start on saturday. mark schlereth has more. you go through and get that final dress rehearsal game. the most important game of the

preseason. trent said you game plan for it, and you don't have a starter yet. and it's so hard to develop rhythm as an on fence when you don't know who is back there. >> here's a look at some of the other preseason action on saturday. the bills without terrell owens on the field. to take on the defending super bowl champion steelers at 7:30 eastern. four games kickoff. most notably, the clash of the giants in jersey with mark sanchez taking on eli manning. >> still to come, some scary moments for tom brady on friday night. we'll hear from the coach, bill belichick

>> jays and red sox going head-to-head. papelbon with the bases loaded. rod barajas, he goes chasing it high. next batter, snyder. solo shot. the odds of hitting papelbon with the bases loaded in the ninth inning, not all that good. opposing batters 1 for 12 with nine strikeouts. the offense, actually bailing out josh beckett five innings, five earned runs, and five hits. he got an era that's pushing t ten. >> speaking of the red sox, the pate yotds football fans in the

boston area. come out victorious, 27-24. tom brady played the entire first half. 12 of 19, passing the 150 i can't remembers passing. not to mention he had two touchdowns, both of them going to randy moss in that first ha half. >> went down with an apparent shoulder injury after haynes worth put him down to the ground. belichick spoke when the game was over. >> i thought the team came out and play ed competitively tonight, as did the redskins. we ended up 17-17 at the half. they're good a good football team. they've got a lot of talented players. i thought our guys battled good on the road. we have some other guys playing at the end of the game. it's good to see us making plays to win. the punt return, and we were able to get them to stop there on the third down and kick the field goal. a good, competitive game on the

road. what we needed. certainly a lot of things to build on here. corrections we need to make. but overall was pleased with the effort we put out there and the competitiveness of the game. >> >> yeah, we wanted to look at, you know, kevin and andrew in the second half. >> >> [inaudible] >> >> he didn't play in the second

half. >> do you expect brady to play final ects bition game? >> we really haven't talked about the final exhibition game and how we're going to handle the rotation and everything on that. we'll talk about that and couple days before the game. >> >> i thought our team played competitively. i thought we did some good things, you know. they're a good defensive team. and they gave us some problems. but i thought tom handled himself. it was mostly offense. >> you talked about -- coming in can you talk about what your offense needs to be? >> like i said, i think they made some plays on fence that gave us some problems. they've got a good secondary, and i thought it's the time for the play. but, again, it wasn't a big game plan game. it was to go out there and try to compete against

them, i thought we did that. >> [inaudible] >> i thought he caught the route and got a good block from seymour in the quarterback. and he went back on ben holland on 950 on 0 yards, whatever it was. >> [inaudible] you know, we do that. we do that a little bit anyway. we use different people, run around a little bit. but it wasn't a big game plan thing. it was just more of, you know, letting people do what they do. >> it was all right. i mearntion it's not perfect, but there are certainly things we need to work on. but we got a allot out of it. different looks, and kind of planned the way that's kind of the way we play the game, with substitutions and formations and things like that. so we've got to be able to do that. >>

>> did you stake him in for a reason or was he just there? >> no, we were going to let him return the whole game. but he handles the ball well in practice. and mishandled that first one, obviously. but he does a good job of handling the ball. he's got good judgment and good hands, so we really, we were going to go with him the whole game regardless. >> [inaudible] >> we were driving on the series before. so we left kevin in there, and we could have done it early. >> top stories next on espnews. the broncos not pleased with brandon marshall wearing his unhappiness on his sleeve. and the team took action. >> the giants need a win against the rockies to close the gap in the wildcard standings, we'll tell you what's happening in the

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give joe flacco more freedom in the passing game. while it's nice to get the next big thing in fantasy don't forget about the sure things like mason. in denver injuries have briefly thinned the running back ranks. while it appears koerl buckhalter will enter the season with the first gig. he's currently being drafted after rookie third stringers. you can play fantasy football free on espn.com complete with live scoring and the best analysis anywhere. ♪ >> right now, the rockies got the better part of the giants at coors last weekend. now san francisco tries to return the favor at the bay. and more news out of the mile-high city. the broncos come to an impasse

with their disgruntled wide receiver. plus a healthy tom brady continues to be away from home this preseason. this time the pats visit the nation's capital. captioning by captionmax >> this game important especially when it comes to the wild card standings. giants and rockies. giants three games back entering play, an absolute pitchers' duel, tim lincecum, ubaldo jimenez going toe to toe, the difference pablo sandoval a solo shot in the fifth inning. we are keeping you current with the latest news, scores and highlights, this is espnews available in high definition,

with michelle lafountain i'm mike yam, as far as pitchers duels go we've got a good one. >> yankees hosting the white sox, cc sabathia facing mr. perfect, mark buerhle, bottom third, 1-0 yanks, none on -- johnny damon sends it into the seats in right. 2-0 yanks. damon's 23rd of the year. bases loaded, two outs, gordon beckham lines a cc sabathia pitch into right, alex rios scores, nick swisher out at the plate. same score, robinson cano launches the randy williams pitch into the bullpen in right for a three-run shot. it's cano's fifth career walk-off hit. so the yankees take this one in 10. buerhle was effective over six innings but remains winless in

seven starts. a perfect game against tampa bay on july 23rd. some notes about cc sabathia. he didn't factor into the decision either on friday but with 10 strikeouts and seven innings pitched he was once again dominant. he finishes august 5-0 for the second straight season. cc's e.r.a. this month .264 and struck out nearly 10 batters per nine innings pitched, much better than the 6.6 he was averaging through july. >> more american league east action, a wet night in boston, daniel bard on in relief in the eighth inning, top eighth, game tied at 5-5, john mcdonald to left field. travis snider trying to score from first, jason varitek -- check out the block at home plate -- that's a veteran move right there -- the former all-star getting it done, game stayed tied at 5-5.

a 48-minute rain delay. jonathan papelbon. rod barajas takes the heat. travis snider the next batter, big swing and a miss and good luck trying to score against papelbon with the bases loaded. this season batters 1-12 with nine k's in that situation. josh beckett bailed out by papelbon and his offense. five innings, five earned runs, not to mention he walked five batters -- an e.r.a. over the last three starts 9.82. >> the twins getting loose before facing the rangers at the metrodome. bottom first, joe mauer facing tommy hunter, one out, mauer finishes to left scoring denard span from third, 1-0 twins. bottom sixth, rangers trailing 3-1, tommy hunter facing justin morneau. morno hits a liner back up the middle. hunter recovers and throws morno out at first. -- and morneau out -- throws morneau out at first.

a painful loss for texas in the a.l. wild card race, minnesota victorious in six of their last seven games. duensing got the win. >> matt garza on the hill, bottom four, bases loaded, gerald laird to right field, gabe gross can't come up with it. that would score two. detroit scored five times in the fourth inning thanks to back-to-back-to-back doubles -- the rookie rick porcello gets the win. he's now allowed one or two earned runs in five of his six august starts, matt garza falls to 0-4 in six career starts against detroit. wild card mania all over the place.

in your area, make them to their job not only for eda but th business community that is here today. i will be measured on several statistics when i get done. my job will be in fundamentally finished 13 months from now part i have never had a term of appointment but this is pretty cdose. and 13 months they will mease me on five tngs and these are on my wall and what i signed up for number one, i get the money out quickly. as i mentioned earlier, right now overall in the aggregate we have put out and contracts and grants to states them a 200 billion by the end of this month, a 230 billion by the end of september we also put t 60 billion. we are approaching $300 billion getting the money

out. we are doi a pay days okay. second getting the money under coract properly. that means we get contracts of the hands of people that can perform them and that want to perform them as quickly as we can. number two we avoid elements of waste fraud and abuse as well as we can do it we of man days manage the risks associated. the first part is that communitif i have done a good job getting the money out my old team of six has done a good job and it has not gone to people that most effectively serve the needs of the government then i will have failed in that category in addition i will build reporting infrastructure and make sure we have proper measurements and finally maintaining support of the american people. we believe the support of the american people comes from

having people like you all over america go back and say this recovery might work for us. what see if we can find a way to make and we think it may work for merck huckabee you will start to see that be line ony chart starting to turn and until we get back to the point* it will take to three years at a minimum, we look at prior recessions and we find it can be as long as 38 months before you gain back all the job that you lost. people talk about a v-shaped gourde w shaped got help less. [laughter] that was not a reference. [laughter] that does not mean that i

seriously tried tovoid there's too much to look forwarto to look bk. we keep our eyes ahead. we wan to maintain the support the american people who understand that possibly may be at the end of a recessionary period is interesting information but until we put people back in jobs and have more people in jobs than we had before we started, theresident will not think we're successful or have now begun the success of this operation. thank you for the hard vork to do for america and growing small businesses as a fmer small businessman i know how hard it is perhaps stayed up late working with sales forced it come and quick and and cookbooks to do all of the tas that i had to do.

blokd i want to let you know, if you need any help from our office let david and his team know we try to work to the agencies and try not to bypass people like david ordeal the deputy secretary in these areas bring greetings from the white house and want to thank you very much. >>host: -- [applause] >> thank you first like to introduce the special adviser to the white house for green jobs enterprise and innovation, ed van jones award-winning author and advocate for at rights and has continued to shape the energy an@ climate initiatives parker yesterday i talked about 3e merging and promising industries. een jobs, as margaret

technology, and the heth care i t. not only are these eight growing but the right thing to do for us and our planet. today mr. van jones will speak more in depth about the use of reem technology, something all businesses should know a littleit about. ladies and gentlemen, all like to introduce mr. van jones [applause] >> good morning. good morning. >> good morning. >> did you eat? i had my back there. rst of valhi want to thank david hinson. personnel is policy when you see someone like him select to the the effort like best is shows the level of seriousness that we have to make sure that we begin to meet some of the

goals we have had is a country to grow equal opportunity through both federal contracting and all activities barbaro one to take a moment toive david a round of applause. he is doing an extraordinary jo [applause] i alsoant to think ed deseve he is our general when it comes to meeting our goals with the recovery package and he is a modest man from 12 point* out first of all, let's not forget to win the president signs the recovery package in made very people talking about the great danger not a big recession but of a great depression. let's not forget when the president wa sworn in january all economists right and left

and other wise were fearful we're headed into a deflationary spiral from wch nobody could figure out how we would recover and it would be global. nobody is talking about those catastrophic outcome is now and it has to to do with the actionable bomb and the action to bring in people like ed deseve to make sure the action he takes is effective let's give him a round of applause for rking day and night [applause] lastly, i want to thank you. it is good to come to these coerences, and the folks, get all the business cards that you can and put in your system. shake some hands and maybe do deal. but a some point* you will be back in your cars or airplanes

and you will be concerned. it takes courage to be in your situation predicts courage to be in your position because you represent the fourth thrust of all of the efforts of the last ctury for equal opportunity and equality. and the last century we fought for the rights of a qualified person to get a job. now qualified people should be able to get jobs a that is where we have to go. magic johnson said if y want to be ready thomas day ready. part of staying ready to my commts here is not just being ready inside the unknowing what is the world ready for? the small business people emerging on to procures and business leaders, you could be very ready to sell eht track

tapes. [laughter] but the world is not ready for that right now. do not try to upgrade to the cd because they are not going nowhere. we are living in a world of mp3, download, ipo it is not about being ready but the eye onhe horizon toigure out what is the world ready for? we have a president that understands what the world or america is ready for it is a revolutionary transformation in our energy system. if you look at our vulnerabilities n, so many converge on the fact we're basically using a track tapes level technology to power america. we are in danger of cooking if the planet and bakinthe plan with the greenuse gases we're still using fossil fuels and the remains of dead dinosaurs to power ourselves

in the two the first century. we have the opportunity to diversify our energy portfolio to use a traditional fossil fuel better and smarter and clner but also diversify into renewable energy and have less and have more wealth and health as a result. that is the forward thrust of the president's agenda and it directly creates opportunity r you because in order for us to meet our energy and curity and climate goals, we will have to retrofit millions of buildings, upgradehem so they was less energy we have to put up millions of solar panels, and thousands of contracts, millions of jobs. we have to manufacture wind turbines and put them up, thousands of contracts, millions o jobs, we have to grow by

peals, thousands of contracts, ultimately millions of jobs. this dream job direction 21st century job and contraor and arch per neural activities are represented in the recovery package. i do not have a lot of time when to focus in on one aspect beuse i think it hits the maturity with the media opportunity that i will l you get back to your morning. our recovery package $787 billion from 80illion of that is four things that are grieved for clean energy. smart grid, when power, biofuel, land restoration, the hold that. in that 80 billion, about 50 billion is in one department. one department. one agency. the department of energy.

now it is important for you to know that because when the president tks about building a clean energy economy, he talks about creating jo and opportunities of tomorrow, he has made a bet that the department of energy will be the main motor or engine. we talk abo smartrids the money is thdre. when you talk about smart batteries, the money is there. when you talk about weatherization comment energy efficiency, the money is there down the line a strategic focus on the department of energy and understanding it should reward your efforts. specifically for small businesses. many of you may now be starting and advanced battery division tomorrow but let me focus on energy efficiency buildings, for calls.

2008 the federal government spent $200,000,000.02 retrofit and weatherize a upgrade the mes of low-income people to cut their energy bill. so grand mom doesn't have to spend money just like she spends on food. 200 million and the recovery package the president but billion for the same activities you go from 200 million about 5 billion. there is the opportunity to grow workers, be a part of a supply chain, why? said genius of the president's commitment to the energy efficiency and weatherization isimple. those humble solar dollars th is whe everybody is excited. and know why, solar panels.

[laughter] the reality is many of the jobs in the near-term will not be about cutting edge technology to create new energy but off-the-shelf technology deploying it to use less energy today. what am i talking about? the humble hard-working energy efficiency dollars called caulking guns, insulation, high-perform ance windows and doors. replacing old and efficient boilers and fnaces and taking out t refrigerators that use 10 times too much energy and put in the ne stuff may be putting and some smart lears in those homes asell. those are jobs that small businesses can get involved you have to buy that insulation from somebody.

the city has to buy those windows from somebody. those workers have to be hired to go into t homes and the president is excited and the vice psident is excited about this effort because those humble hard-working energy eicient dollars work double and triple overtime for this country. why do i say that? i'll tell you a story suppose you have a worker, eithe has the skis or one semper q give that worker $1 and say your hired and a part of this energy efficiency effort tt dollar just cutnemployment. when he walks across the street and she starts to retrofit a home, she blows then that clean, nontoxic insulation and replaces the windows and doors and the other work that same dollar that just cut unemployment

just cut grandma's energy bill because with the off-the-shelf technology that we have, 30 or 40 or 50% reduction in energy bhll is possible right now that is literally going out the window. it could be captured and turned into working and wealth opportunity with energy efficiency. that dollar worked double time. often write down the street there is a coal-fired power plant or power station that is word gained 40 or 50% to hard because these hom are 30 or 40 or 50% to wasteful. if you cut those energy bills you cut the pollution fro those power plants and greeouse gas emissions, asthma w. tk at the day's asthma inhalers of those little kid pockets that same dollar that cut unployment thatut the energy bill cut pollution and

then it will pay for itself in just a few years because of e energy savgs. this is one area you will see tremendous growth and focus from this administratn because there are so many good things we can do by focusing on cutting ergy bills, cleaning up the air, and helping us to meet our goals. i want to leave you with a simple inside the i hope it will transform your company and transform your life. i hope it will put you on a trajectory to me with the mp3 crowd over the next ur years and beyond. it is a very simple incite. everything that is good for the environment, everything is good for climate policy, everhing good for energy independence is a job. it is a contract, to panera

activity if you can get that light bulb, the compact fluoresce light ball to go off figurehead, every time you hear the administration ficial talk about leading environmental and energy goals you should think how does my company create value to solve the pblem? how do we get in there and get those dollars and become a leading firm in our area? have we become the me marketers for installing sell how do you gather from 102 make sure we put up the smart leads tell people manage energy in their homes? we are in a position to do it worldwide and go forward as they have done brilliantly through thistuff period into the coming revival of the

american economy not just having gotten the job at some point* in your life by being a part of the next great effort to have millions of americans job and the clean energy, the report gulf thank you very much i would like to invite everybody to go to the activity at the expo hall and go all the doors of theeft and we will join you. thinks you very much.

[applause] good afternoon over the past 40 years minority out to grow over her hundred million companies revenues exceed 60 million and employs nearly 5 million people. you heard me say it is today economic parity it will generate 2.5 trillion dollars in revenue and currie over 16 million jobs. and contribu over 100 a dollars for years to taxes to reduce the federal deficit.

but we must continue to grow minorityusinesses larger and faster. today you hear from leaders from the sba they are committed to help minority businesses rlize their dreams and to help build the mmunity and wealth base of the nation. together they held companies grow to medium-size companies and medium-sized to large size. one person has been very instrumental in helping minority and small busesses grow onhe national lovell is mr. joe torre and he is the deputy administrator government contracts and business development for the small business administrion. he and his an outstanding team and i will emphase, outstanding team, support thousands of small businesses every year

and helps them compete for contracts. please give joe dorga and a warm rnd of applause [applause] >> thank you. it is now my honor and pleasure to introduce a true champion for american small busisses as administrator of the sba karen gordon mills lead the team of thousands of employees and partners across the country as we work to grow the american dream. at this critical time when many small businesses e facing tough economi challenges the president could not pick a bter person to be the advocate for small businesses across this nation. she has a lonand distinguished track record workin with entrepreneurs and small businesses and has spent mu of her career working with small manufacturing firms

including producers of hardware flooring days hard wood floors and plastic injection molding. during the recession of the 90 she helps the overall nufacturers increase efficiency, improve competitiveness and ultimately survive that economy. mo recently she is focused energies on the potential of regial economic development clusters part of the new geographic concentrations of businees whose share knowdge and research at -- resources that have far-reachingconomic growth. please help me welcome a true leader to helping drive innovation, create jobs and rebuild our nation's economy, administrator comment karen gordon mills [applause] >> delightful to be here.

thank you very much. what a great weakness has been. of the theme for the week, energizing the mayor ken economy we have heard from the vice president, magic johnson, and we have heard from many of the leaders here in the nation's capital and today we have a president who rarely gets hit when it comes to small business. he talks about how small businesses are bor around the kitchen table and he calls it the heart of the american ecomy. overall, this administration is sending out a clear message, the minority-owned small business is playing a crucial role in getting us out of the ression and into recovery.

at the sba, we believe in the power and the potential of minority-owned small sinesses. we know small businesses createver 70 percent of the jobs in this country and half of americans who work own or work for a small business. slall businesses drive competition, they drive novation, and the drive 21st century jobs. today,he sba is working to make sure minority-owned businesses can only survive and can grow. even in these difficult tes. we have three parties -- priorities. first implement theecover act, reinvesting in our agency and the third is to be the

strongest poible voice of small business across the administration. first, the recovery act and economic stimulus. all of you know, who were seall business people what happened in october. banks stopped lending, credit lines rose. small businesses were strugglingo find capital that they need. congress and this administration understood this small business community needed extra help and ty included over 700 milliofor e sba in the recovery act. it has been six months. this has been a smart investment. i am happy to say we have been le to get e money out ere, into the hands of small businesses and it is working. and march because of the recovery act, we were able to implement two important

changes in the top loan program. we reduced or eliminated many of the u.s. and that our 78 and 504 programs because we want to use small businesse to keep more of that money and reijvest it back into the businesses. we were also able to increase the federal backing on the at 7a alonso s.p.a. could make more loans so we have bee able to get more than 1,0 lenders who were not making loans after october back maki sba loans. and more than half of tho have not participated since 2007. this is a bigger net worth for all of you, and more banks, more points of access for all of you small

business. as a result loan volume is up more than two 2% from the weeks before the recovery act passed, more than 50%. and this means we have been able to put $9 billion into the hands of america'small businesses right at this crucial time when they needt most i am very proud to say also in the first six months of the recovery act, arly 5,500 of these sba loans went to minority-owned small businesses. do you know, how much that is? 2. $2 billion in the hands of minority small businesses [applause] is this the everyday work of the sba is part of who we are and what we do.

a study by the uan institute demonstrated the sba loans are between three and five times more likely to gto a minority-owned business or a woman on the business than those from a conventional lender. the best part of all of this progress we have made so far is borrowers are reporting that these loans are helping create or maintain tens of thousands of jobs all across the country. but as you heard thi wee we are not stopping there. with the stimulus we are reviewing our commitment to federal contracting with small business and working across the federal government to ensure that small businesses can deliver at least 23% of all federal contracts and we

have special particular goals and at this is on minority-owned small businesses, women owned businesses. we see this as a win-win. minority-ownedusinesses get increased volume and sales, hire more people, they get it left to be competitive and take their products all across the globe. federal agencies win also. they get access to the most innovative and nimble and responsive companies like yourself and often a small business the have direct access to the ceo and the owner. so far moreha 20% of stimulus contracts have gone to small business we are hitting many targets, and nearly half, 9% are going to

minoritywned small businesses, nearly $1 billion that is only the small businesses if you count the big andmall it is 1 billion .3 -- 1.3 billion. last week, we announced eight government effort to increase this number. we will build on the success over the next 90 days. we will work with our procurement partners throw government and all over the country we're training small-business owners, and doing matchmaking events, over 200, we will help the contracts and the hands of people like you. us to say it is like speed dating but i think it is about a longer-term relationship so now cl it e harmony. [laughter] in the announcement for this 90 day pliers the president himself said provide being the

maxim prtical opportunity for small business is called esntials and a vice prident said he is committed to ensuring that small and minority-owned businesses e rt of the economic recovery every step of the way. billions more and contracts are coming dow the peline this cld not come at a better time today i would encourage you to do a couple things. actively market your product and your services just like you would to any customer. i am pleased to hear many of you have been actively doing just tha and good. with both lending and recovery

act we're doing a number of things we're giving taxpayers a big bang for their buck near putting the brakes on this recession and in doing it side-by-side with minority on small businesses. [applause] we're also doingther things. we are investing and reinvigorate the agency and the small networkf partners to better serve all of you and minority-owned small bunesses the sba has great bone structure. we have more than 2,000 employees and district offices and yan addo that more than 1200 employees it come to an area that is hit by a

natural disaster. in addition to every source rtners, and 900 small business development centers many of you have probably used their services and 100 women fod business centers and 350 chapters of our partners in the mentoring program, as gore. all of these 14,000 counselors one of them told me they think we will have the within those small businesses of this country they're working harder and harder to help your businesses grow and survive. in fact, their business is up more than 4%. so within the fast bone structure will also alw some very important people who are helping with government

contracting. we have dozens of procurement is center representatives and they are stationed at federal facilities all across the country. i encourage you toet to know them and reach out and contact them. they are there to be your partners. we're also euring that all of our people andll of hour federal partners stand ready to meet your needs, the needs of the minority-owned small businesses. so to recap, we're driving the recovery, reinvigorating the sba bone structure and finally, the sba is serving as the strongt possible voice small business. small business has a seat at theable, we're taking action and to show the important value of small business.

for instance we're working with hard-hit industries by the automotive suppliers in michigan and was there when we launched a cluster of suppliers in the robotics industry linking them to the department of defense which has a great interet in robotic technology. we're working with the departme of energy to build on the pullout -- groundswell low startup firms that create mean jobs with renewable energy and of cour, we're supporting efforts by our partners and working with the department of commerce said events like this and others all across the cntry. we will build on this and create an environment where all kinds of small business can flourish from main street small businesses to some of theigh growth and high impact businesses like all of you in this room. that means we will tackle

tough issues. one of them is healthcare. healthcare ithe number one concern of small business. the number one concern is a small businesses need access to affordable healthcare. 13 million of the uninsured come from small businesses that have less than 100 people and all of you out there who provide health care, you pay up to 18% more for theame coverage as large businesses. we know that small businesses are like family. you want to provide the coverage, it is a huge burden especially in this economy. of the sipuation nows on tenable. their options on the table, they're wking their way through congress, but we

do know this, we must have reform that provides access to affordable health care for small businesses [applause] on this issue and on others, you can be sure the sba is a strong police here in washington for the interest of small binesses and it will become stronger every day and more informed every day because of the partnership with business leaders like yourself. thank you. my commitment to you is that we will accomplish our priories that i have described working side-by-side with americans 4 million minority-owned small businesses. thank you. thalk you very much and thank you for being here.

[applause] now i am very proudnd pleased to give some awards. i will give the graduate of thear -- aduate of the year the administrators leership of word, and the national minority business per cent of the year. before tha i wanto do a quick recognition. is to give her? i hope so because if you are, stand up. i just want to say the legacy award for lifetime achievement is given away every year it goes to someone who has played a strong role and the minority

busiss community over 25 years or more and this year i ing it up his we areery proud that they chose one of our own and as i understand it she willin recognize it tonight formally at the gala but i also want to make sure we recognize heard today and congratulations to our illinois district director. [applause] our firstward is the national kohen graduate of the year and is given to a firm that represents the true spirit of the program. this the word is highly coetitive and the criteria is tough. they must make the mos of the training and mentoring of the opportunities.

8-a is a biness program they must showow they are a force of the marketpce and must give back to their community. theinner has done all of that and much more, born and raised in buffalo new york ter college she worked for her father's plumbing company shortly thereafter a he told her she should go into her own thing. in 1996 she started as el are contracting with a commitment to quality, custom service and innovation and began to double their sales every year and expanded at two more locations. u know, how hard that is. e business actively participated in both of our 8-a programs and today the winner ao serves on a number

of local nonprof boards. she often reaches out as a motivational speaker in the community. please tell meongratulate the sttle of us who are ntracting, sandra rice park el [applause]

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [applause] >> this year we have to read and as traders leadership awards. these words wereiven to officials who served astor ambassadors to hour diverse business community and the federalovernment. the first winner worked for many years subcontracting and the departments of stice, treasury and now serves as the associate administrator in the office of small business utilization at the department of romance security. he hoped small businesses o want to contract with the dhs and does it very well. and his most recent

scorecard, dhs as one of its goals for the more of the agency says they're having difficulty reaching a contracting goal we refer them to him as a model of our very best practices. he serves as the vice chair of the interagency kelso that includes all of the federal government small busins and disadvantage utilization and offices a.m. but s.p.a. has already recognized two other major awards. when he saks about federal small business procurement, people listen. please help me recognize [applause] ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ [applause] >> the second wner of the suborder worked for many years of the heartland regional offices of the general services administration. she has a strong track record as a champion for our 8-a program for part in addition she consistently speaks out about the benefits of working with minority-owned, women owned and veteran on the sll businesses. she has won several natnal awards for her leadership and acquition and procurement and january she was selected as the acting associate administrator for

the gsa office of small business utilization. we know over 10 years she has sell build a foundation for successful contracting at gsa produce saw our scorecard you saw the results of her work. gsa was the only federal agency to meet all five contracting goals for small business, didvantaged businesses, womesounds and serve and the disabled veterans so she continues to set the bar please tell me to recognize mary parks [applaus ♪ ♪ ♪

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continue to focus on health-care we will talk blood dealing with the h1n swine flu virus with the cdc on newsmakers and "q&a" a look inside the u.s. hospital system withhe virginia hospital center. >> a discussion on the role of the immigration and wedge issues in modern politics. of the panel looks at how conservatives are trying to use issuesike immigration foroter turnout the center for american progress hosted this event. it is about 90 minutes. tiff or . .

and we know that this is not a new issue. it has been around as long as the country has been around in the intensity on it is increasing so going back to 2005 when the house passed the deportatioonly bill that would

make felons of undocumented people and those who associate with them, that was followed in 06 by millions to march in cities across the united sta in protest to the house bill and that same year the senate passed a bill with 23 publicans supporting it that would have legalized most of the 12 million living here without status. in 2007 however, the senate bill to pass frankly less generous bill and then last year which saw both candidates battle this issue but interestingly enough not so much in the english-language press that moren spanish-language press. th is where the issue of immigration was engaged. what happened in '08? how latino turnout in states like nevada, floda a-- and this is an issue they care a lot about. now and 2009, the president, speaker pelosi and senate majority leader reid are repeatedly saying that they want to engage in moved and passed the issue of immigration reform

and the question really is, is the country whether? are our leaders ready and how can we let this iue as a progreive issue of how republicans engage this issue successfully if they ever want to he office again? so, let me introduce our speakers and then we will get right io a short powerpoint presentation by ruy. are for speaker aft ruy will be frank sharry and frank is the founder and executive director of america's voice, communications oriented organization focused on winning conference immigration reform. before heading up americas voice frank service executive director of the national immigration forum, where i was the deputy director for many years in the form has been at the center of every immigration battle for the last 25 years. fallen frank will be e.j. dionne and needs no introduction. e.j. is a syndicated columnist for "the whington post," seni fellow at britting, an author and editor and co-editor of many books and a regular

commentator on radio and tv. llowing e.j., anaavarro is a higly regded rublican politica strist. rexford teas is especially in florida and latino politics with a particular emphasis on immigration. ana was the co-chair o john mccain's hispanic adviser council. she was a frequent speaker for john mccain on isss related to the-- relat to latinos and has played a key role in state races florida. and then ruy teixeira is a senior fellow at the century foundation as well as a fellow at the new politics institute and was recently a visiting fellow at boklyn. anti-is published manyooks, analyzing american politics. he is widely quoted in his area of expertise ands made frequent aearances. we have a rock star panelnd we will do it oberstar so we would get into a bit of a debate and discussion and open it up for

you want to ask questions. thank you all very much for being here. ru you can take it away. >> thanks angie. the term culture wars as applied to u.s. politics goes back to 1991 when it was fauquier lies by the acadec james davison hunter in a book called culture wars in this argument now and going forward, that's politics in the united states would be polarized between waring cultural cancer arou issues like guns, abortion, race and gender issues and so oand that would be the fulcrum of politics as politics developed in the 1990's. th didn't turn out to be such a crazy idea as things develop. we know culture wars were very impoant in the early problems of the clinton administration in '94. we know of course ere is a huge part of the impeachment m4 of the 90's which undercut

progressive legislative strategies. of crse it figured in george w. bush's victories in 2000 and 2004. and it was by and large quiet presence and quite a focus of debate about our politics and w wondered if he would ever get out of it. things that kind changed since 2004 ieems. if you look at the elections of 2006 and particularly 2008, of course we of the historic victory of barack obama gandy campaign rally in which culture wars issues did nothing to play much of a role. and that conseates attempts to invoke these issues did not really succeed very well. witness the nomination of sarah palin which probably more hurt than helped mccain's ticket. so things do seem to have changed by the bed in the last several years in terms of these culture war issues, but why is that?

one reason surely is that some issues have overridden the culture wars issues. rst iraq and then the economy but is that all there is to it? the argument of this paper, the coming into the culture wars, which i commend you available at our web site at chockful of living data, and we will see a little bit of it in the second, it makeshe argument thait is deeper than just issues. it has to do with the with the shifting demographics of the united states are, basically reduci the lev of conservative cultural views among voters and reducing the salience of them to polits, even wre conservative views remain, so let's take a look at some of the changes that are taking place and moving us in this direction. the first and most important demographic change that is undercutng the culture wars is the rise of them lanelle generation, those born between roughly 1978 and 2000. millennials are markedly

progressive on every cultural issue might care to name, they support marriage and take race and gender equality as a given. they are very tolerant of family and religious diversity. they are very open andositive about immigration into the united states and in general they are pretty uninterested in fighting politics on the basis of these kinds of hot-button social issues so this shows you how much they are growing over time in terms of being eligible ters in the voting pool. the 2008 election, there were 48,000,064,000,000 in 2012 and about 90 million by the timthe electorate and the presidential election of 2020. that is lot of agriculture early progress ofligible voters. this next slide shows a little bit more detail about tho changes. hesitancy from the table about 39% of eligible voters and 2020 or members of the millennial

generation and will be about 36% i estimate the people but that could be hired depending on turnout trends. there will be 103 million millennials who are in the voting age population. e reason is some of them want the citizens of that is still a boatlo of eligibl voters, so expect another, take a look in another aspect of them lanelle generation which is there diversity. part of the reason why there's so culturally progressive and this slide basically tells you that write them lanelle adult aarp pretty diverse compared to previous generations. abt 60% are non-hispanic white, 18% hispanic, 14% blacken fae personation but as more and more millennials become adults the plan neal said there becoming adults are going to be even more diverse than the one set already beacom adult so by the time they are all in the electorate there will be 56%

non-hispanic white and 24% minority. in year 2020. it is imrtant to note not only are the millennials pessing in general on ctural issues but if you compared each one of these raise ethnic groups to their older counterparts, they are much more progressive. white millennials are much more progressive than older generations of white voters. as fenech millennials are much more progressive than older generations of hispanic voters and in fact white millennials are more progressive at this point than the electorate as a whole but then if you break down white voters and elected white working-class and white college graduate millennials it is striking how progressive in particular white working-class millennials are compared to older generations of white working-class voters. as you may-- white working-class voters who would lose by 18 points but buried within that

bad results for obama was the fact that he actually achieve a pretty high level of support among white working-class millennials in that election and there was a b trendn the direction progress is between 2004 and 2008 that the benefit from. what this implies is very important which is that as we move forward the white working-class ehlers continue to be relatively conservative in general and on cultural issues. is would become gradually inevitably more progressive a these wide working-class millennials replace older white working-class folks in the voting population so that is a very important change, but is not just that we are going t have more progressi white working-class voters. it is also the case that we are just going to have less of them and that is going to make a difference. this is one of my favorite little chart that shows measured by the exit polls the change in the shares of white

working-class, white college graduate in minority voters between 1988 and 2008 and it shows that in this 20 years then there has been a 15 percentage point decline in the representation of white working-class voters on election day. that is a decline of -3/4 a percentage point year. there is an actual increase in white college graduates voters who are much more progressive thanhiteorking-classoters and among minority voters who also are much more progressive in general there is then an 11 percentage point, half a percentage point year increase in the representation among voters. now, this is the case of the look at specific states. there is actually a lovely table in the report that shows you for every state where we have data for 1988 and 2008, it shows the change in representation among voters of white working-class white collegeraduate and minority voters and it is pretty striking across all of the state's and the shows you if you

the specific ones that were politically pregnant in 2008. anpennsylvania 25 percentage point decline in white working-class voters, a 16-point increase in white college graduates voters said in a point increase and minorities. we don't understand why pennsylvania was such a tough nut for john mccain to crack. he was trying to appeal to it in a sense to an electorate that no longer existed in the same thing is true in a lot of these kther states. the demographic trend is shifted out from under the conservatives and parcularly on these cultural issues. you can see the data tre also for ohio and florida and the data, tells the same sries so moving on to, is this likely to continue in thfuture these changes thatre embodied in the previous chart? destin di. that shows where we are going in terms of rate predictions according to the senses to the year 2050 and is you can see about 66% of the population is

inon-hispanic whites into day will be done to 46% by 2050 of which pmint will be 54% minority that will include a slight increase in the black population and a doublinof hispanics from 15 to 30% of the population, almost a doubling of haitians from five to 9% so this will be an ongoing set of changes in terms of the composition of the electric-- electorate and we will see the decline of the white working-class wl continue because the white population is declining and because continuing educational upgrading in general replaceme among white so basically not college-educated weitz will decline with in the white population white college graduates will continue to increase. so, looking at that time it tells you a lot about how the culture wars are going to be undermined or time. more hispanics, more white college graduates, far fewer white working-class voters who are substantially more conservative on these issues, particularly the oldernes.

there other demographic changes in terms of undermining the demographic basis forhe culte wars. single and cultic indited women are generally pretty progressive on cultural issues and more progressive than their married counterparts. single women will have gone from 38 to-- and women between 1978 today. college-educated women have more than tripled from 8% to 20% of adult women. professionals are hugely progressive on cultural issues. there were only 7% of the workforce in the 1950's and they will h about one-fifth by sometime in the next decade. religious diversity is also important. by the year 2016, roughly it could be a little later, it will no longer be a hite christian nation. secular people unaffiliated adults are increasing dramatically. they have got up from about five

to 14% since 1944. they will be about 20% of adults by your 2020 and they are really progressive on cultural issues. in fact it to take the data out far enough it would appear that by the year 24 the only a little bit more than one-third of the polationill be white christians and only about one-third of that will be conservative white christians so that tells you a lot right there about what is happenein the demographic basis of the cultur wars. surely the front-line troops and the culture wars have been coervative white christians. we are looking down the road in a siton where it will only be 12 or 14% of the population. nellis turn specifically to the issue of immigration for a second. it is the case that on basically, you look at these risine demographic groups and compare them to declining groups they tend to be much more progressive and much more open to the immigration and the united states and more

supportive of the immigration refo and that is one reaso why and i think frank will talk more abo this, we kind of had the dog that didn't bark situation in the last several elections. diverse jeremy's-- strenuous attemp and in the predential election and various congressional races in 2008 and it just didn't work. he has done some work in his organition in terms of telling up the tossup races where migration was, they tend to use immigration as a wedge issue and ether or not it's exceeded and he will tell you more about it but don't think i'm giving thing-- anything away. it didn't seem to work very well so the dog that didn't bark. one thing that would be interesting to us about immigration rorm, you say the climate igoing to change over the lg term in terms of making immigration less of a hot-button issue. surely the economic crisis is making people more surly about

immigrants in our country to create problems, who take jobs, these benefits, but what is interesting to note is to the extent we have data in the last several years it doesn't appear the economic crisis as seven aggravating effect on fuse towards immigrants. the show's data from the pew research center which asked people thinking about immigrants who are currently living in the u.s. illegally to you favor or oppose providing a way for immigrants in the country to gain legal citizenship if they passed background checks, they fines and have just? in december 2007 it was 58 to 35% in favor of a proposition which shows generally these propositions are well supported by the public but th interesting thing is says to let it able to those nine data it hasn't done-- it has gone up so you had a 63 to 34% in favor of this proposition in april of this year and there are several otr results entirely

consiste with showing oddly enough in this period of severe economic crisis feelings about immigrants don't have become more negative and in fact we have become more sentiment in support of the immigration reform. it sicle latell these demographics are working out on some of this stuff. my proposition is going forward we will see more positive views of immigrants and the more favorable climate becau of the shoes. this is some data from the progressive studies programull about ltural and otherssues, idealogically shoes and we asked a question about basically agree or disagree emigrants r.e. burd none our socty because they take jobs and abuse government benefits and the shows white working-class voters bursting rising demographic groups and 55% of white voters agreed with the statement and 23% disagree buthey look thick white college graduates is 46-- 35 the of the way and hispanics 58-26.

among professionals as they said are markedly progressive culturally. 60-23 that they on the burden and this is pretty consistent with lots of other resultsnd similar questions and of cours then there is the millennial generation which has played such a role in changing the culture abuse and our country. this shows the generational divide. i believe this was from "the washington post" abc poll. 73% of milleials thought this was a pretty good idea and only 42% of seniors felthat way. again the log of generational replacement is as we move on in time that will move the views among the population as a whole toward a more sympathetic view of the emigrants a make more support for immigration reform so that is all the slides i have for y today, and i think we will just move on to our discussion. thank you.

[appl@use] >> just a little quetta of-- bidded? comment if you don't mind. >> i agree 100 >> that was quick. >> tre are some tough issues but let me say fst of all what is remarkable about this issue because it is a relatively new issue that confronts the political class in the conventional wisdom just a few years agwas that immigration was and is a culrally charged wedge issue that is going to turn out conservative based votersthat is going to split democrats and make them look like they are pandering to a minority and is going to win over swing voters who are upset about illegal immigration. that conventional wisdom in my view was greatly exaggerated and yet is still thinking brace bike to many in both parties as still probably true. now, the evidence for why i

think it is not true is the analysis that ruy referred to. we looked at the 2006 and 2008 elections and tossup races, when immigration was a factor in you have a comprehensi reform candidate, almost in every case a democrat, against the hard-line republican. in most of these races the reblican attack the democrats for being sought, for being for amnesty and wanting to give benefits to legals, for being soft on illegal immigration and inlmost all of the race is the democrat won in these tossup races, so the theory that this issue was going to mobilize based voters is probably true because the one place whereou see evidence th a hard line works is in some republican primaries. for example in probably the most notorious importer race in 2006 yohad gabby gifford's replacing jim colby against

randy graph, a minuteman, part of the armed militias against illegal immigration and randy graff famously said if someone of my views cannot win in this district, we can't winnywhere an in fact it turned out to be prophetic because very few races did it turn out to b true that a hard-liner d-day comprehensive reform. and then in 2008 it was tried again and didn't get as much attention that we lked at 22 race that charlie cook labeled ssups or there was a clear difference between a democratic comprehensive reform and in 20 of those races the democrat won, so for all of its power as a wedge issue that was going to really make it hard for democrats to win in tough races with swing voters been the determining factor, it just ha't happened. the other part of conventional wisdom particularly among republicans and ana as well is this notion that it is oka to?

to this issue because latinos don't care that much and they don'teally count. that is then turned on its head t i think the most underreported political story from my field and from the work i do is tell bush and per have a brilliant strategy to win hispanic voters and in 2004 among spanish dominant hispanic voters-- i jot going to use the overall numbers which are pretty well-known but among spanish dominant voters bush kerry 52-48 so many of the new voters who turned out in 2004 voted for george bush. he advertised in spanish, i talked about sharing values. there wa a lifetime court chipper cow he was a brilliant candidates for socially conservative, open-minded, not yet alive with the party latino immigrants. in 2008, the same cohort it is estimated obama pete mccain

75-25 and probably 1.5 to 2 million of the new voters were in fact from lino immigrant families. that is a huge swing and was the least the key factor in at least for and argbly seven states going from red to blue so the idea that this is going to win ing voters andot cost you with latino voters that think test to be stood on its head and now the question is how can democrat use this either as a wedge issue in the elections or moremportantly from my point of view use it as a tactic to get publicans to work with him on comprehensive immigration reform which is the defining threshold issue for latino immigrants. so we can get into more about swing voters which i think is as key is the latino voters but just looking at the elections the conventional wisdom has been wrong, the wet strategy has backfired and latino voters are pretty bork about it.

>> thanks. e.j.. >> ides is one to say first am happy to be here and a i.t. meyer the work-- he is the dustin padroia of progress of polling in public opinion analys and in his 2002 book predicted almost perfectly exactly what was going to happen in the 2008 election down to it wantedhe precinct level but the smallest demographic. if have onsmall disagreement with his overall analysi and i agree with ruy entirely and makes a persuasive case that the culture wars are receding, partly because the wit was inuenced ruy's book. i think the white working class has importance for the future and you only need to list the states ohio michigan indiana and north carolina wisconsin and pennsylvania but that perhaps callers my analysis here, but we can talk about that if you wish. friend because i to support

comprehensive immigration reform is uent. a dissented because they think public opinion on this is still very complicated and this is extremely difficult fight. withhold frank before that when he offered his analys of the 2006 and eight elections i would say it is absolutely true if you have a republican president with 30% approval, an economic meltdown and an unpopular war it is difficult to make immigration work as an issue for republicans. i think the jury is out on exactly how this would play unless come on terrain that is less favorable to the democrats then 2006 a 2008 were. immigration is politically fedexing because of splits both parties unscrambles the usual alignments and i believe there is no clear majority in the country on this. i thinkuy agrees with me this. americans favor providing a path

to citizensh to illegal immigrants and the other third, more less that the argument the margins aboud the acts-- execs sides and then there is an ambivalent middle that knows the status quos unsustainable, is sympathetic in principle to a comprehensive solution yet is also upset about the government's value to control illegal immration and i'm going to talk about a couple of numbersbmut the symbol blends. in the obama administration has worries of its own. is entirely to the president won last year with overwhelming support from latino voters. they wervery important helping him kerry new mexico colorado nevada, argue baliles of north carolina and indiana although the margins were so small you could probably attribute the victory to almost any demographic review. nonetheless latinos were important. latino leaders are insistent the president keep his promise to fix reform.

i think the president's message far is yes meekham but not quite yet. and i think there are a couple of reasons for that. one as we all know he has a lot on his plate right now. healthare reform is more than enoughn his pla right now but also because they think he understands this ambivalence en the difficulty of this so the president's comments earlier this year, we want to move this process, he wants to build confidence, ultimately he said i dot have control over the legislative calendar. i think this reflects the president whom i believe wisely knows that achieving comprehensive immigration reform requires some confidence building and if there'sne issuehat will have to be bipartisan it is this one come and they say that not because i believe bipartisan solutions have errorshe duly in perfection but certainly because of the sweats and the partie that u are never

going to assemble a majority without a bipartisan solution. i want to close with two quick points. the first is, part of the political problem here is the issue plays out differently in presidential elections then in races about the control for congress. just take the states with large, very large hispanic populations that wrestling states arizona, 25%, and abetted 19, colorado 17%, new mexico is 42% in arizona is 25% hispanic. and those for all states where obama either kerryr new years on the did better than he would ve expected himo give it was john mccain's allstate but in 2006 i went back and looked at the election. i nt to update these numbers. i identified 34 democratic districts that were potentially vulnerable to the republicans.

and only four of those districts, with the hispanic population more than 18% in 19 ofhose districts it was under 3%. these were, the races in which republicans were tempted to use immigration. in the 15 districts where the democratic incumbents received 51% or less in those 611 head hispanic populions below 10%. so what you have got is polits playing up differantly at the two levels. frank is absolutely right about what happened in 06 and 08 but i think we do have a lot of nervous democrats in those diricts, and that i thi it is the fact that you had a large hispanic vote in certain areas makes it easier for a president support comprehensive immigration reform. ambivalence. with immigration,eware of

polling because you can make polls ylmost anything you want about immigration because of this ambivalence group. so, for example there was a poll in 2007 that swed 52% supporting all illegal immigrants and 64% saying we should allow illegal immigrants to pay a fine to be eligible to apply for citizenip sesm folks gave yes answers to both of those questions. that is ambivalence. 50% wanted favorite publi schools from kindrgarten through high school for children who are here illegally but only 35% favored intends to state colleges, state colleges where questions are subsidized for children of illegal immigrants. 64% said yes, illegal immigrants should be able to use hospitals and emergency rooms but only 25% of the same people say they

should be on medicaid. this ambivalence is what the advocates of reform have to deal with. i think there's success ultimately depends upon winning over those in the ambivalent middle and not treating them as yoon of lobes or races. the core argument for reform i beeve must be that the presence of so many illegal migrants without any enforceable rights undermines the rights of all of us. the real message is the path to citizenship is a way of guaranteeing that all residents of our country be able to assume their responsibilities as americans. moving us in that directiois not about doing favors for ilgal immigrants. it is about strengthening the erican community. i believe that the president is buying himself time to try to make that case. thank you. [applause] >> ana do you want to share some thoughts? >> i wasoming here this

morning completely ready to agree that we were coming to the end of the cultural wars and then i read the front page of "the new york times" and there was a story about a very nice gentman from macon georgia, few at 62 years of life had never felt enough emotion about anhing, not en the vietnam war to go participaten a town hall oany sort of protest. much to his wife's shock he showed up at a town hall on health care reform this week, and the very soft-spoken salesman from georgia told his congressman he wanted him to oppose health care reform. so, we have not traditionally looked at health care reform as one of the wedge issues. we like to think of the immigration and health care and marriage in stem cl, but who would have thought it? we are i would almost argue in the midst of a culture war. in fact your would say democrats are in a cultural war with themselves because of health

care reform. you've got several democrats and moderate democratsrotesting vociferously against each other. in florida you have got statide protests going on against the seniosenator of florida, bill nelson who could not be more moderate and middle of the probe. there is some sort of, if you don't want to call it a war, then let's call it bales but there's something going on that is ignited the american public. on immigration, i think you are right. i think immigration has not been wedge iss. it has noteen a wedge issue in the presidential primaries. the reason it hasn't been a wedge issue, and to their credit, and i know not enough ti has passed by yet to say anything slightly positive about george bush or karl rove without having to confess to a higher deity, but the recent immigration reform is not a

dge issue in 2000 and 2004 is because there was no fertile ground for its from karl rove and george bush who came from texas and understood that that was just a nonstarter. there was a l of focus on a lot of other wedgessues that did influence thought only the presidential election but also local elections and then in 2008 it was also not a ferthle issue. there was no formal grant for this issue. it played in the primaries and i sit here today telling you that immigration probably costitt romney t florida primary, which in turn was a pivotal moment in the primary elections in the u.s.. how could you have immigration as a wedge issue when you have john mccain as a republican nominee? if it was an issue at all, as they have said, it was in the

hianic press and it was who was more believable on immigration reform and who is more believable on the promises that they were going to deliver? i told john mccain so many times during the election, try to convie them, to no avail, that the latinos wanted toear a timeline. fayetta so badly, the immigratio activists, one to know was it going to be simultaneous, was it going to be trigger mechanisms, was a going to be enforcementirst? was it going to be legalization first? was it going to be within one year? john mccain did not want to commit to a time when. he thought it was irresponsible he thoht it would not be able to control the legislative calendar. barack obama committed to a timeline. he comtted over and over and over again. there w probably have a dozen interviews where he committed to ing it within theirst year.

guess what folks? just a couple of weeks ago in the schraut of darkness in t middle of the summer in mexico city, he announced that it is not going to happen in the first year and i could help but think, what would happen if john mccain had committed to a timeline and won the election, and h not committed to that? so i think immigration, i hope the immigration disappears completely as a wedge issue becae i hope reform gets approved. but it the doesn't get approved, will it become a wedge issue? lithicum back and will the wedge issue not be anti-'s and prose, but rather you promise and you did not deliver and it will be a good iss again for republicans it that were to be the case. angie open thisp by saying what do republicans need to do if they ever again want to win

office? what do they need to do on immigration reform? the question is with democrats in the white house, democrats in the senate and democrats in the house what t democrats need to do to hold on to that latino vote that put them in power? so, that is my engel. >> well done, ana. [applause] it will turn round of applause. frank, your reaction? what you think? what about e.j. analysis? the i think ana is absolutely right that of democrats uandered the opportunity with latino voters it is going to be a big mistake. i do think that come i don't thinkatino voters in 2010 are going to embrace a party that wants to deport their loved ones so i don't think there is going to be a big sng to the republican party buttoned low turnout midterms and which the presidential pty historically

loses, the turnout is going to matter a big deal and i think of democrats have not delivered on immigration reform you could see that impact latino immigrant turnout in a way that could have down pilot ramifications of manatt democratic operatives are quite concernedbout it. if obama does not move and get it done and things may be to the o'sullivan is a better time to do it i think our experience with george w. bush is the longer you wait, the harder it gets, not the of the run for a guy can imagine if they lose some seats that will come back in 2007 now is the time we are going to go with immigration reforming get done and i do think if you imagine a 2012 presidential run in which barack obama's campaign promise ins vanishes, this time i mean the promise, that it is going to hard to fire up millions of voters who turned ou f the first time in 2008 klett dutra navigant. so i think it is a big problem for the democrats and the big

challenge. i don't have any mistrust about obama's sincerity. i do question whether the dogs and conservative democrats are gog to rise to the occasn because the sense that maybe this does not play well in their districts a e.j. ratley points out but i think he also points the way, which democrats have to realize it's the culture wars are receding and that they were hired that to be republicans but to lean into tough issues and have pragmatic solutions. i've seen more focus groups with independent voters then i want to admit and i kept loong to see where are the closet nativists and racist in this group? there is sometimes a couple but ey are p.o. pragmatist. that is why the pulling in the pew recently that on immigraon reform shows an increase in support for a path to tizenship because people want this new gang to deliver.

i think the democrats are goi to have to really embrace that with an argumt as e.j. says and quite frankly should be abou taxes. we are going to me people pay their share fair, both employees and workers and that will help reduce the deficit. how about that for a centrist argument? we are going to require them to pay taxes and we a going to raise billions of dollars for the coffersre eveone is thing their fair share. i would love to hear that argument in the swing districts from democrats thing we are going to lean into it. when notice qanta russia but were going to get it done. that is the democratic party that haso emerge at their going to take it advantage of these dark oortunist. >> let's they they find there's find and they find their voice, what is the republican response to tt? it you've got democrats leaning into of making a sound case for how we can raise taxes by requiring people to come forward and enforce our borders and have

a system that works, how do republicans respond given the recent sotayor votes. i am curious with what they would do with that? the republicans ar waiting for this white house and this congress and the leadership talid. it then when they leave that think the best thing republicans can do is come up with an agreement anget rid ofhe issue once and for all. get it off the table so we don't have this constant fight that we have to be defending with latinos and we can go back to what ronald reagan delete. latinos are republicans, they just don't know it yet. [laughter] and we have to focus on all of the other issues. and do you know what? if they can get it done, if it can be done, there's going to be, to be a hard case to the limit on republicans when so much control rests in the hands of democrats and i knowhat the republican ads would be--

[speaking in spanish] i think democrats need to lead and if they don't come i think they are very vulnerable. i want to remind all those democrats to e now holding hands withatino leaders that a cole of years ago those latino and emigrant leaders were camped out at john mccain's office, and they know john mccain did not want to deport them but they believed obama was a better self for the immigration issue. if latinos are still swing voters, they can turn on a dime and they need to be courted and they need to be shown some meat, some deliverableand those same ople that were the same leaders in the same activists camped out in mccain's office and then did not vote for him more support him could very well do the same to back obama should they not feel he is

fulfilling promises, so it is a gauntlet and it is a very fine line they have to walk. >> e.j. what your thoughts about reaching the ambivalence the that we talked about? did you persuade the? >> i am persuaded about what is said about the last to campaigns and i do think there arguments th have not been made that could be made in terms of everyone assuming their responsibilities as citizens of have a broader appeal than other nds of arguments. i agree with l that. in terms of the hispani vote, bush got the hispanic vote for republicans up to sewhere between 40 and 44%. that was an enormous achievement. one of the interesting splits among hispanicsas between protestants and catholics and it is importa to look it the evangelical in roads. the inroads they havmade among latinos were the evangelicals hispanics voted strongly for

public and one of the things that happen to the republicans as a result of a backlash against republicans because of where so many of them were on immigration and said they lost a lot of ground among those evangelicals who are in many ways the natural allies of the republican party. the republicans don't need to carry the latino vote if they can get around to 45% nationwide, they can win a lot of states in the elections. there are two problems here. one is, politically, as long as the repubcan party boss loudest voices are identified, the latinos-- mesge latinos get, the message ty get is that the republican party is bradley hastle to them and i think what you s, what happened nationally is what happejed in california when governor pete wilson pushed a referendum to limit benefits th point to immigrants and he

won election on that, bup he pushed the latino vote io the democratic column in california to this day and i think the danger for rublicans is what does happen on iigration of the lasteveral years puts them in that same danger. the problem is an immigration bi. i just want to give one plug to a rept that brookings, where i work in one of the places i work, and the center did on the media, the report on the media and immigration debate. the report was written byy friend who is at an m. burke. i always have trouble with the name-- rode an analysis of media coverage and then i did a polling analysis. whenou go back to the last battle in congress over the form is not just a matter of having the guts and courage. it is that immigration reform depending on how you do it

splits the constituencies the war for it. when of the things we concluded is that opponents of the bill were united because it is very easy to get to know roberto's piece which is called the crimes of the upper go on the other hand supporters were not completely happy with their own bill. there were huge splits for example between those who favor a larg guest worker programnd others more on the liberal side to say n guest workers undermine the weitz of the other americans and we need t move to the sins of the very constituencies that were in favor of reform and every concsion you made to the restrictionists side undercut enthusiasm. sound familiar from the health care fight? so that this is a very hard political and legislative tas i am surfrank his alltell of

the prlems and will tell us how but i think we have to bear in mind that this not simply a matterf debt. is a matter of coming up. it takes a lot of political and policy intelligence to put this thing together. frank, tus how to solve this problem. >> i think i let one of five progressive groups that was for the bill and hundreds were against it for various reasons. i think we are lucky thachuck schumer is leading the way. if theegotiations produced a bill that was just bad enough to hang your every major constituency i think chuck scmer is going to be good enough to come up with a bill that will be just good enough keep everybody at the table. i think schumer is going to play a big role. i think also people are humbled by the consequences so i know of the kids around the country that, l's hold up for something better come have realized what is happening on the ground is the status quo so

nms serwer immigrants live under such seized with tremendous fear that there is a kd of a commitment to reform that i don't think we s a couple of years o and i have to say there's going to be business labor splion this iue of course. busine thing we want more workers, laborers thing to many workers is going to undermine american workers but i hope to get to that debate because then you have peoe on both sides want reform figuring out whether there is a commission that can better manage all or partf the flow or do reforms of the current programs. i can see a deal on that. i think the bigger concern is whether the forces of know are strong enough. i what's the health care reform debate. this is 2007 replay. ginned up the grassroots activism andake it looclay they are speaking for the majority.

and republicans might make the deal saying you are going to have a primary challenge is if you do. this ithe challenge. our democrats going to be susceptible to the southerj strategy of old or to the new democratic majority going forward? i think the demograics suggest they should lean into this stuff, show a little backbone and realize that in fact a lot of folks want results. that is what they really want and the idea that loud voices on the far right going to timidate people in the middle, to me i just find unbelievable so do think guess you have to have a better message d you have to frame it better but i think going forward thaobama and the democrats as they stood up and said we are going to make sure people illegal, we are going to stopllegal immigratioand we are going to do thisin a way that is true to our ideals that in fact that they had come of it would fin surpng support and i say

this because we have done the deep polling in districts that he would never imagine would support immigration reform. if it is framed properly, they give, i think democrats will find republicans willing to work with them, will get bipartisan majorities in could get done by the spring of next year. optimism. steve ruy what your thoughts? taking the terrific analysi you've done and the finest day to day with the backdrop of health care, what is your sense? >> my analysis is more abouthe long-term shifts and the terrain then about what strategy should we pursue in congress tomorrow which is way above my pay grade bui am large is sympathetic to what frank is saying and i tnk the basis is there for moving forward on this issue. i think while there ian ambivalent middle i think that ambivalent middle is vy much interested in a pragmatic solution to this problem and

again if it is framed right i pursued in a way that speaks to ople's concerns but emphasizes the pragmatic problem-solving ability in this legislation, i think it will be possible to make progress but i think one of thehings that is important really for the republicansome in the schools put their party, it is in their interest to take this issue off the table and in a long term demographics sense to continue to be on the short of-- and of the stick is a very bad idea and a lot of smart people in the republican party know this is true. is hard for tm to see getti out the short end of the stick without getting this issue of the table and certainly they don' want to be ideified wh the forces of know within the own party and even tried to transcend that as much as possible. so that is the basis for some sort of solution. it is in the political self-interest of the big section of the repu@lican party.

that as a means for a lot of individual members of the republican party particularly in white districts with low hispanic concentratioj, they are not going to see-- and that will create problems. these are exactly the forces that are going to speak loudly as this issue comes to the floor and you risk for them another debacle. i think basically, this debated the polls of-- falls apart within the pepublican party, i think it hurts them again. it hurts them more than it hurts the democrats. i think we'll see a replay of how this sort of plad with hispanics a couple of years ago so i think it is difficult but again the way that terrain is shifting and the polical calculus of big sections of the republican party, i do think the basis is there for some sort of solution. of course e fact that there is the basis the fahmy that will happen and this sort of part to

make a realistic probability assessment at this pnt. but i think there's a good shot at making somethg happen. >> there is a lot more to the republican party then voices of note, and i think we have got to be smart and responsible. you brought up the sotomayor debate. we quickly some the sotomayor debate be claimein be defined by, as you call it, the voices of note in the republican party but let's look at who they are and figure out who they present. when you are fanning the flames by putting the likes of tom tancredo to talk about conia sotomayor, a congressman who is no longer a congressman from you know, the boonieq in colorado and you got defeated soundly in the primary, in the republican

party, and yet he is the one that has put out there in the mainstream media and it is his voice that is the finding the debate on sonia sotomayor. why? because he is going to say incendiary things and this point to make the very entertaining press and it will lead to more press than more stories. in the meantime you he practically every member, every reblican member of the judiciary committee, maki very good points, holding a cordial and civil debate bricklin fact i will tell you probably the person that knockedround sonia tomayor was newly minted democrat, arlen specter error and yet republicans took a beating with hispanics on sotomayo >> because most republicans voted against her in the end. >> senator hatch apologized in his column. does anybody remember mill

martinez' speech? he chose to make his last offici duty in the senatto cast a vote and give a heartwrenching speech and in defense of going back to the old time when supreme court nominees were judged on qualifications and intellect and it wasn't a and entranced decision by both parties sit gs above and beyond the hispanithing and goes above and beyond sotomayor. goes above going back to a te that frankly no longer is this and it is going to to be hard to go back to, but how much press did memartinez beach, which i don't know if yo read, but it was an emotional speech. i was very prodded him for having given it. i am very saddened that we are losing the voice of mel martinez in the republican party and i hope, that iope at some point we have another republican senator because i think it is

that important. >> personally evra surprised how many republicans voted against sotomar becae i thought it was in their political and policy interest to vote for her partly becau they thi she is relatively speaking one of the more conservative or moderate choices obama could have made soy think your case would be much stronger if for your friends had actually cast a vote for her i wanted to raise the question because it think it is a difficult problem republicans have. when we did ourtudy, pew put some questions on a questionnaire for us and we found this fascinating split in the republican party, not surprisingly moderate to liberal republicans now or a small minority of that party were in favor of a path to citizenship, cumbrance of the immigraon reform by about 2-1 more less, but what was fascinating is self identified conservative republicans were very badly split& some of e depended on whether

you were a cultural consider it for business oriented conservative but what we found is this extraordinary difference between talk radio listeners and on talk radio listeners, that if you were a conservative republican who listens to talk radio you opposed a path to chtizenship come ortiz both force indifferent questions to measure, to see what the real measure w, i was 54-31 know and if you didn't get a lot of information from talk radio it was 62-34 yes so the is this very interesting division and the republican party and the the thing we found, this is the project for excellence in journalism study, during that debate conseate media, lou dobbs in particular, whose effect was on conservative democrat actually, moderate to conservative democrats, gave far more attention than the mainstream media for liberal out

let' msnbc or liberal talk shows and the think again that went to the enthusiasm issue that the conservatives were really mobiling the other side, but i do think that th is, there is a genuine division in the republican party on this. is even deeper than the split among democrats. what is your sense of how the republicans deal with that in the future? >> okay, think we have to come to an agreement. i think there has got to be an agret that is not going to make everybody happy but it is not going to make everybody unhappy and back in be approved. i've really regrets that senator kennedy is not gng to be there as the convener. senator kennedy, with his prowess and his authority will not be there. i don't trust chuck schumer role the way fraoe